Afterthoughts of Seeing ‘THE DARK KNIGHT RISES’ in 70mm IMAX

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This article is a follow-up to my previously written article SHOULD YOU SEE THE DARK KNIGHT RISES IN IMAX? This is not a review of the film (one can be found here) but more of a review of the presentation. It is highly recommended that you read the previous article this is in reference to.

I previously wrote an article earlier this week about if you should see The Dark Knight Rises in 70mm IMAX or not. It is a push that Warner Brothers is doing to honor Christopher Nolan’s desire to open up the opportunity to bring film in cinemas again as well as celebrate is accomplishments with the franchise as this is his last Batman film. When I wrote that article which was part film projection education and part concern/awareness of what this sudden shift in format might do, I hadn’t seen the film yet. Now, I have seen The Dark Knight Rises in 70mm IMAX and wanted to follow up with everyone on my thoughts about the experience.

There is no doubt that regardless if you see this in 70mm film IMAX or Digital IMAX that you will notice the difference or resolution between the scenes shot in 35mm and the scenes shot with IMAX cameras. However, as stated in the original article, 70mm IMAX film presentations will open themselves up to more opportunities for error. Think of it this way, a film projection of a movie whether it is IMAX or just regular 35mm is more of a manual process that has many components that result in the end presentation as opposed to a digital projection, which still does have some manual process (mainly the bulb brightness and possible focus), that has far less.

The 70mm IMAX presentation of The Dark Knight Rises that I previewed was prone to dust and it showed on screen. There were many moments where we would see a hair or a piece of dust that would slowly creep across the screen. IMAX film projection is held to a higher standard than regular 35mm projection, not only because the size and magnification of the film in the format but mainly because the IMAX film format calls for immaculate maintenance and upkeep.

Another issue that everyone noticed at my screening, which could just be because of the newly re-installed equipment, is that the center sound channel which is mainly used for dialogue seemed to be drowned out or not at the same level of the surround channels. I was sitting almost dead center in the auditorium as well, so the sound should have been pretty balanced. While I believe the sound issue was due to the theater’s presentation and shouldn’t be represented by the film itself, time will tell if that is the case.

I would still recommend going to see the 70mm IMAX film presentation but for a majority of you that have got used to a digital presentation’s clarity, you might remember why you didn’t like film.

I plan on seeing the film again. This time, I might give a Digital IMAX presentation a try and I will come back to this post and edit it if I see a huge change.

Update – July 20th, 2012

I have now seen the film in digital IMAX and while I’m a lover of film, the digital presentation seems the way to go. If you have an IMAX theater that consistently shows film format then by all means, go to it! However, for the theaters that installed new or old equipment in order to facilitate the 15/70 IMAX film format, you may have some issues. I viewed the 15/70 IMAX film format at Ronnie’s and I felt that it was a very mediocre presentation. The film didn’t have a precise focus and the center channel was so muddled that dialogue during heavy action sequences including Zimmer’s score made some of the dialogue inaudible. Also, I have been informed that no trailers are included in in the 15/70mm IMAX film format and are only included on digital presentations. Digital shows the ultimate clarity and seems to have the best soundtrack. For anyone that complains about the 35mm sequences not looking as sharp, they are kind of correct. Those 35mm cameras have a different depth of field and IMAX is like shooting in HD compared to film because of a higher resolution.

Leave your Comments on what you thought of the 70mm or digital IMAX presentation below.


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Author: Andy Triefenbach View all posts by
Andy Triefenbach is the Editor-in-Chief and owner of DestroytheBrain.com. In addition to his role on the site, he also programs St. Louis' monthly horror & exploitation theatrical midnight program, Late Nite Grindhouse. Coming from a household of a sci-fi father and a horror/supernatural loving mother, Andy's path to loving genre film was clear. He misses VHS and his personal Saturday night 6 tape movie marathons from his youth.
  • liemaxsucks

    Thank you for the article. I had to watch The Dark Knight Rises at Paragon IMAX Bangkok, as Singapore and Malaysia don’t have 70mm IMAX anymore.

    The visual presentation was excellent. On my 1st viewing, only a small speck of dust appeared on the screen for a few seconds, and that’s that. For the rest of the presentation, the shot-on-IMAX scenes were super sharp. No problem whatsoever. The picture was very stable, comparable to digital projection’s stability. I went for a 2nd viewing at the same theatre the next day. This time no dust specks at all.

    However, as some as commented here, the dialogue does seem to be drowned out in certain scenes. Perhaps it is inherent in the IMAX print sent to the 70mm halls.

    Back in Singapore, I watched it in Digital IMAX. The presentation was inferior. The dual 2k projectors do no justice to the shot-on-IMAX footage. Each time I watched any movies on Digital IMAX, I leave feeling underwhelmed and overcharged. The resolution is simply insufficient for the screen size.

    • ben

      liemaxsucks – from what I heard (I live in BKK and saw it at paragon IMAX), they are offering refunds for those who saw it when it first came out because the sound quality was messed up. I’m trying to confirm this, but apparently you have to have your ticket stub as well. I luckily still have mine, we’ll see when I go to the theater tomorrow..

      • liemaxsucks

        HI ben. That sounds like good news. I hope you’ll get a refund or a replacement ticket for another session at the Paragon IMAX with proper sound for TDKR.

        Too bad I’m now back in Singapore, so I won’t be able to rewatch it there. Ha ha. The good news is that apparently Paragon IMAX is planning to screen the 70mm IMAX print of TDKR until December 2012.

        I guess TDKR is probably 1 of the final proper IMAX motion picture, so Paragon IMAX is probably to cater to audiences and tourists that happen to visit Bangkok this year. :)

        If the movie is still showing in November, I probably will visit Bangkok again.

        On Digital IMAX, not only the dual-stack 2k projection lack clarity to show off the IMAX footage, the cropped aspect ratio ruin the visual composition as well. The impact is different.

  • Chris

    Andy thanks for this article. I saw it on Saturday afternoon at Ronnies IMAX and was pretty underwhelmed. I was suckered in by the proclamation on Wherenberg’s website that it was “1 of only 100 screens in the Northern Hemisphere” showing it in the 70mm format. It surprised me since I remember hearing that they converted to digital last year. So, did they have to but a new 70mm projector or did they still have the old one lying around somewhere? Also, sadly I never saw a movie before they converted, so I have to wonder, did they shrink the size of the screen as well? If they were a “true” IMAX before, wouldn’t they have had like a 70ft high screen? I think the current one is only about 30ft high. If they did shrink it, it’s a shame since there’s no other true IMAX in the area (the closes I think is Branson). Do they have to shrink the screens when converting to digital? Is it because the digital projectors they use are still 2K and would look terrible on a 70ft screen?

  • Jeremy

    Have you heard anything about Science Center? I saw digital IMAX at Mills and thought it was breathtaking.

    • http://www.destroythebrain.com/ Andy Triefenbach

      I haven’t. However, their screen is a dome and would distort the image to the point where I would discount that as a presentation honestly. I remember seeing Matrix Resolutions, or whatever the second Matrix film was called, in an OMNIMAX and it was a headache.

      When I saw TDKR the second time, I saw it at St. Louis Mills which was a great presentation.

  • Verympresd

    Viewed a 15/70 presentation in a theater built for it. The image was bright & pristine, no foreign objects whatsoever, and the audio was phenomenal: like I was at a concert. By far the best experience watching a film, ever.

    My only complaint was that the entire film wasn’t shot in 70mm, switching back and fourth is really distracting – a problem that could have resolved itself if Nolan had cut out 1/3 of the excess in the film, which would have resulted in the same amount of 70mm footage we ended up seeing anyway.

    • http://www.destroythebrain.com/ Andy Triefenbach

      What theater (city & state) did you see it in? Have they always shown movies in the IMAX film format and never made the switch to digital?

      I completely understand the complaint. Some would argue that it was annoying to see the screen full of an image (IMAX) then switch over to 35mm (black bars) but I found it a bit more distracting because the resolution of 35mm shot sequences was lesser than the 70mm IMAX sequences. Normally, IMAX is shot during select sequences that maybe total up to 20 or 30 minutes. While I commend Nolan for pushing the boundaries with filming this in IMAX, I wonder if it was a wise decision.

  • Josh

    I saw TDKR in a theater that plays digital IMAX movies but it ended up being played in 70mm IMAX. While the movie was obviously amazing the whole audience was angry about all the dust and hair on the screen (close ups of faces sometimes looked like bugs crawling across noses). A long line formed at the manager’s desk and he told us Chris Nolan requested the movie not be played in digital and only in the original format on IMAX screens. He gave us free movie passes that did NOT work for IMAX, and were no redeemable for cash. And the kicker is that our theater only accepts passes to pay for tickets on movies that have already been out for like two weeks.
    Did the manager feed the audience a load of BS or did Nolan really make this request?

    • http://www.destroythebrain.com/ Andy Triefenbach

      Where at did you watch this? I can tell you, as an ex-projectionist and theater manager, that those passes that are given are like “super passes” & can be used at any show regardless of restrictions. This could be different from location to location but an Inconvenience/Emergency Pass is totally different than promotional passes.

  • AlanMorlock

    Sounds like more of a problem with Ronnies than the IMAX format itself. I was surprised to hear that Ronnies was reconverting to 15/70 equipment, especially because their screen is not up to the size standards of traditional IMAX screens. I drove up to see the film in Woodrige, right outside of Chicago and the presentation was nearly immaculate and the screen completely filled my field of vision. On a presentation level it was the best theater experience that I’ve ever had.

    • http://www.destroythebrain.com/ Andy Triefenbach

      Glad to hear that it seems like it was a theater issue as opposed to the film itself. This is why I wrote the article. There are too many components that projectionists who are used to digital or who are “out of shape” from handling film might mess up. Also, I’m not sure if IMAX was contacted/involved in re-installation of the 15/70 format.

  • Bob

    The Ronnies IMAX ruined the film with it’s horrible sound system. Also, at our screening (Saturday, 11:45am) they did not show any of the trailers attached to the film (Skyfall)! If you see it at the Ronnies, avoid the Imax, unless you don’t mind missing a lot of the dialog.

  • acharlie

    That’s a shame the projection was less than stellar. =( Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on Digital IMAX. When 15/70mm isn’t an option I love it as an alternate. Great articles, thanks for the link.

  • Conrad99

    Please post your thoughts on the digital showing vs. film. Also, did you see this at Ronnie’s?

    • http://www.destroythebrain.com/ Andy Triefenbach

      Yes, I saw this at Ronnie’s.

      • Conrad99

        So if I still haven’t seen this, where do you recommend going in the St. Louis area?

        • http://www.destroythebrain.com/ Andy Triefenbach

          While Ronnie’s & SLCC have the film format, due to Ronnie’s having a mediocre presentation and SLCC showing the film projected in a dome, I would say a Digital IMAX like Chesterfield AMC or Regal St. Louis Mills would be the way to go.